Aviva Chomsky Interview, Part 1 — Podcast August 15, 2011


Are They REALLY Taking Our Jobs? Myths About Undocumented Immigrants. Aviva Chomsky is an American historian, author, and activist who has written extensively on immigration issues. She teaches at Salem State College in Massachusetts, where she is also the coordinator of the Latin American studies program. On this Monday’s Democratic Perspective, she discusses how the principle of political exclusion operates in our economy to guarantee a supply of labor for nasty, difficult jobs at wages that employers can justify to their investors. If slavery is no longer an option, doesn’t declaring a class of laborers illegal serve almost as well in its stead? Why animosity toward immigrants has a more destructive effect on our state economy than most Arizonans are currently willing to admit.

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Andrei Cherny Interview — Podcast August 8, 2011


The End of Extreme Politics in Arizona? Andrei Cherny, Chair of the Arizona Democratic Party, reflects on the partisan divisions in Arizona politics. He tells Democratic Perspective that the only real way to improve the governance in our state is to pay more attention to the political mainstream. He points to the increase in Independent voter registrations, and the efforts being made during the current redistricting process to increase the number of competitive districts in the state as grounds for hope that Republicans and Democrats will finally be forced to stop pointing fingers at one another and start dealing reasonably with Arizona’s problems.

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The End Of Extreme Politics In Arizona?

Democratic Perspective had an opportunity to visit with Andrei Cherny, former Arizona assistant attorney general, White House aide, business consultant and current Chair of the Arizona Democratic Party.

We began by asking him about the political environment in Arizona. He responded by saying, “My goal is to push politics in a better direction. Arizona is crying out for leadership. We have so many problems – the budget, turning around our schools and making our streets safer.” But Cherny says the Democratic Party has been unable to focus attention on those problems. “Democrats have a great group of people in the legislature, but they’re a super minority so they can’t have much of an impact,” he said.

“We need to push politics to the mainstream and away from extremes,” Cherny continued. “People are sick and tired of partisan politics.” He pointed to the growing number of independents in the state. “Republicans currently have a registration advantage, but voter registration is virtually one-third Republican, one-third Democrat and one-third Independent. Soon the number of independents will be bigger than either Republicans or Democrats. In the long run that will be good for state politics.”

In speaking about the current redistricting effort that will redraw the lines for legistlative districts and give Arizona another Congressional Representative, Cherny called it “The most important development in 20 years. Right now, only 3 of the 30 legislative districts are competitive. That has pushed politics to extremes because the candidates didn’t have to compete. The goal of the Independent Redistricting Commission is to seek 8, 9 or 10 competitive districts. Republicans see that as a threat. They want to continue their extreme stances. In fact, Speaker of the House, Andy Tobin has threatened to remove the independent Chair of the Commission. But fortunately, Arizona is one of only 13 states that have taken gerrymandering power away from the legislature. “

“Why aren’t we talking about jobs?” he asked. “The answer is extreme politics. When the 2012 session starts, we’ll have had five years of the worst economy Arizona has seen and the legislature has done nothing about it.”

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Noam Chomsky Cont’d – Immigration And Arab Spring

On July 18, Democratic Perspective continued its interview with Professor Emeritus Noam Chomsky by asking how we should deal with the fear of immigration.  He responded by saying, “We deal with it by a sympathetic understanding and education.  We can understand their problems and fears.  It’s been the same all through history.  The understanding that people have rights; that animals have rights; that nature has rights, that’s a gradually expanding sphere in human history and it has to go farther.”

On the Middle East and the so-called Arab Spring, Chomsky stated, “The US, historically, and indeed up to the present moment has been supporting dictatorships – blocking democracy and development.  We do so because we want to control their energy supplies.  Those are the words of the National Security Council from a report during the Eisenhower administration.”

“In the case of the Arab Spring,” he continued, “The US and its allies are terrified of it.  And there are good reasons.  To explain it, all you have to do is take a look at public opinion.  In Egypt, 90 percent think of the US as the main threat they face.  80 percent are so afraid of US policy they think the region would be safer if Iran had nuclear weapons.”

“If you look over the whole region,” Chomsky stated, “The numbers are not quite that high, but they’re relatively the same.  What it means is, if public opinion was affecting public policy, the US should be kicked out of there.  The policy President Obama has followed is our standard policy when a dictator is in trouble.  You support your favorite dictator as long as possible.  When it becomes impossible, then what you do is send the dictator off somewhere, issue ringing declarations about how much you love democracy and then try to preserve the same regime as much as possible.  And that’s exactly what’s happening in the Arab Spring.”

“If we think democracy is a good thing, we should have totally different policies,” Chomsky continued.  “That’s the government we’re talking about.  Not us.  There’s a huge gap between public opinion and public policy.”

In response to a question about the US politics drifting to the far right, Chomsky again cited public opinion studies, “If you follow public opinion studies, you find the drift is not very detectable.  Our population is strongly in favor of taxing the rich. The public option, which would’ve opened the opportunity for the US to have a sane health care program like other industrialized countries (which incidentally would’ve eliminated the deficit); most were in favor of it.” 

He did admit that there has been a shift on social issues which business doesn’t care much about.  “Propaganda and other devices stimulate them,” he said.  “You have to be careful when talking about policies and a drift to the right.  Reality is considerably nuanced.”

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Immigration – A Conflict Of Values

Recently, Democratic Perspective had the great privilege of discussing the immigration debate with Noam Chomsky, Professor Emeritas at Massachussetts Institute of Technology’s Dept. of Linguistics and Philosophy. He has authored more than 150 books and, according to Wikipedia, is the 8th most quoted author of all time.

Prof. Chomsky began by saying, “In the background, there’s a conflict of values, each of which is worth respect. One is people should be free to go wherever they want. If anyone believed in free trade, and virtually nobody does, they would pay attention to the patron saint, Adam Smith (social philosopher and author of An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations) who stated that a founding principle of free trade is the free circulation of labor.”

“The other value,” Chomsky continued, “Is that a community has a right to preserve integrity that is of importance to it.”

“Well, there are circumstances where these values conflict, and at that point, we have to look at circumstances as we always do on human affairs,” said Chomsky. “The US has a mixed history on immigration. In the 19th Century, it was essentially free and immigration from Europe was encouraged although Ben Franklin thought some groups were too ‘swarthy’ to be admitted into the US. He was talking about Germans and Swedes. Franklin felt only pure Anglo-Saxons should be admitted.” But, according to Prof. Chomsky, by the late 19th Century, attitudes toward immigration were beginning to shift. “The most extreme example was the Asian Exclusion Act (except for the Japanese who regarded as different),” he continued.

In speaking specifically about the current problem with the US-Mexican border, Chomsky said, “Like most borders it was established by violence – the US conquered half of Mexico in a war of aggression 160 years ago. So what is now Arizona and the Southwest in general was part of Mexico. It remained quite an open border. That changed substantially in 1994 when Clinton launched an operation to militarize the border for the first time. The same year, the Clinton administration rammed through NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) which was opposed by people in all three of the countries involved.”

Chomsky said that it was understood by its framers that NAFTA would lead to immigration from Mexico as the result of structural changes.

For example, Chomsky said, “Mexican agriculture is quite efficient, but it can’t compete with US agribusiness, which is highly subsidized. As a result, Mexican workers were driven off the farm. Furthermore, Mexican businesses are not going to compete with US multinationals which, under NAFTA, are given rights that go far beyond the rights of persons. Also, in 1980, the US was supporting massive terrorist wars in Central America that led to genocide in the Mayan highlands of Nicaragua. Remnants of those shattered societies are still flowing to the US to try to survive somehow.”

Chomsky continued, “There are lots of reasons for immigration and there are mixed attitudes towards it. Business tends to want the cheap labor. They can be hired for very little money and they can’t protest. They can’t say anything or they’ll be kicked out of the country. In some parts of the country like South Florida, they literally become slaves.”

In speaking of those most vocally opposed to immigration, Chomsky says, “I wouldn’t call them conservative because a conservative would agree with Adam Smith. Immigration does arouse all sorts of concerns. Some are understandable, but incorrect. Many feel it undercuts the domestic workforce. That’s not really true. Studies show that it actually increases economic growth and leads to more work.”

Chomsky complted the interview by offering a solution to the issue, “The answer to immigration should be to improve working conditions in Mexico. That was done by the European Union and it worked perfectly. Before the EU admitted poorer, southern countries, it spent some time trying to raise their standard of living. So when they did enter the EU and their people could move freely, they wouldn’t undercut the more affluent northern workers. Some of the proposals of NAFTA included measures like this, but they weren’t even discussed. There are ways to deal with these problems humanely.”

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A Bitter Pill To Swallow — Podcast August 1, 2011


Raising the National Debt Ceiling: The Constitution and the Full Faith and Credit of the U.S. Government. Why governments run deficits, and why, until the Republican Party lost its collective mind, raising the U.S. debt ceiling was considered a legitimate — and routine — response to th.e needs of a growing population.

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A Bitter Pill To Swallow.

If you’re a Democrat, indeed if you’re an informed American, it’s hard to get very excited about the new plan which has been proposed to expand the debt ceiling.

Certainly the debt ceiling needs to be raised to prevent the US from defaulting on our obligations. But in crafting the plan, Congress and President Obama mostly ignored recommendations from the President’s bi-partisan deficit panel and the bi-partisan “Gang of Six” Senate panel. They (and the media) also completely ignored the People’s Budget Plan put forward by the Democratic Progressive Caucus. Instead, they were forced to embrace many ideas from the Tea Party and Republican deficit hawks.

Even if the plan passes both houses of Congress and is signed into law, the debate and resulting uncertainty have had a devastating impact on an economy that was already struggling. As the debate raged through the first half of this year, the economy grew at an anemic annual rate of only 0.8 percent and there are limited options of improving it. Before the deal, federal spending was already in steep decline, the stimulus money has largely been spent, and there’s little chance the administration will be able to convince Congress to pass new stimulus. On top of all this, we recently learned that that the Great Recession was much worse than previously thought.

Even in the defense industry, the effects of the debt debate have been noticeable. According to the chief executive of Northrup Grumman, Wesley G. Bush, “Uncertainties surrounding the debt ceiling and future defense budgets caused our customers to move more slowly and spend more conservatively. We did not see the recovery in spending that one might have expected.”

With all of that said, according to a report by the Associated Press, here’s what the new debt ceiling plan will do:

—Immediately increase the debt limit by $400 billion, with Obama permitted to order another $500 billion increase this fall unless both House and Senate override him by veto-proof margins; a third installment of between $1.2 trillion and $1.5 trillion would be made available after enactment of matching levels of additional spending cuts recommended by a special joint committee of lawmakers.

—Cut more than $900 billion over 10 years from the day-to-day operating budgets of Cabinet agencies. Caps spending passed by Congress for agency budgets at $1.043 trillion in 2012, $7 billion below 2011 levels.

—Create a 12-person, House-Senate committee evenly divided between the political parties, and charged with producing up to $1.5 trillion more in deficit cuts over 10 years. If a majority of the committee agrees on a plan, it would receive a vote in both the House and the Senate. If the panel deadlocks or fails to produce at least $1.2 trillion in additional cuts, or if Congress fails to enact its recommendations, the White House budget office would impose across-the-board spending cuts across much of the federal budget, including the Pentagon, domestic agency budgets and farm subsidies. Many federal benefits programs, however, would not be covered by this, including Social Security, Medicaid, veterans’ benefits, and federal retirement benefits.

—Require both House and Senate to vote on a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution.

—Establish “program integrity” initiatives aimed at stemming abuses in benefits programs like Social Security.

—Increase funding for Pell Grants for low-income college students by $17 billion over 2012-13, financed by curbs in student loan subsidies.

So how is the deal being received outside of Washington?

Speaking this past Sunday on ABC, Mohamed El-Erian, chief executive of the bond investment firm Pimco, said “Unemployment will be higher than it would have been otherwise. Growth will be lower than it would be otherwise. And inequality will be worse than it would be otherwise. We have a very weak economy, so withdrawing more spending at this stage will make it even weaker.”

In a recent op-ed, Robert Reich wrote “The deal does not raise taxes on America’s wealthy and most fortunate — who are now taking home a larger share of total income and wealth, and whose tax rates are already lower than they have been, in eighty years. Yet it puts the nation’s most important safety nets and public investments on the chopping block. It also hobbles the capacity of the government to respond to the jobs and growth crisis.”

Nobel Prize-winning economist Joe Stiglitz said, “The cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan alone will exceed $5 trillion. With a cost like this, why isn’t war central to the debate over the national debt?”

And Arthur Delaney of the Huffington Post wrote “The long-term unemployed have been left out of a deal between congressional negotiators and the White House… Anyone laid off after July 1 is ineligible for extra weeks of benefits.”

Given the obvious problems with the new debt deal, you may ask, why would Democrats ever agree to it? After all, recent Democratic administrations are only responsible for $2.8 trillion of the national debt while their Republican counterparts (especially the administration of George W. Bush) are responsible for $9.5 trillon. The answer probably lies in a statement by Bruce Bartlett, former Reagan Policy Adviser and Deputy Assistant Treasury Secretary under George H.W. Bush. When he was a guest on MSNBC’s Hardball with Chris Matthews recently, he said, “A good chunk of the Republican caucus is either stupid, crazy, ignorant or craven cowards who are desperately afraid of the Tea Party people. And rightly so.”

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Upcoming Broadcasts — August, 2011

Here is the schedule of upcoming Democratic Perspective broadcasts for August, 2011:

August 1: The Debt Ceiling: What It Is and Isn’t.
Democratic Perspective’s co-hosts, Steve Williamson and Mike Cosentino, explain the history of the U.S. Debt Ceiling — how it originated, why it has rarely been an issue in the past, its apparent conflict with the U.S. Constitution, and why the Republicans have found it a convenient weapon in their crusade to end spending on federally-funded social programs.

August 8: Andrei Cherny Interview.
Andrei Cherny, Chair of the Arizona Democratic Party, presents the challenges facing Arizona, and the Democratic Party’s response to them. Part 1 of a continuing series of discussions intended to keep Democratic Perspective’s listeners abreast of political issues in Arizona as we approach the 2012 elections.

August 15: Aviva Chomsky on Immigration.
A Democratic Perspective interview with Aviva Chomsky, an American historian, author, and activist who has written extensively on immigration issues. She teaches at Salem State College in Massachusetts, where she is also the coordinator of the Latin American studies program.

August 22: Aviva Chomsky Interview, Part 2.

August 29: To Be Announced.

Coming soon: More on the realities of privatization and deregulation, and a Labor Day look at what’s happened to wages and income distribution in the U.S. since the beginnings of globalization in the 1970s and 80s.

Join us on am780 KAZM for a fresh look at the issues of the day from a reality-based Democratic Perspective.

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A Manufactured Crisis — Podcast July 25, 2011


Debt Ceilings and the Deficit: The Republicans Threaten To Wreck the Government — Again. Newt Gingrich tried shutting the government down in 1995, and got handed his walking papers, but Republicans are nothing if not persistent. John Boehner’s grandstanding may cost the American government billions of dollars in interest payments, and the American people their future, but he thinks he’s winning. Democratic Perspective lays out just how dumb he has to be to believe it.

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A Manufactured Crisis

For months now, the Republicans (especially the Tea Party representatives) have used the debt ceiling as a means to leverage power against President Obama and the Democratic Senate. As we recently pointed out on Democratic Perspective, this is an entirely artificial crisis. Contrary to the rhetoric of Republicans, refusing to raise the debt ceiling will NOT cut the national deficit. It will NOT balance the budget. And it most certainly will NOT create jobs.

What it will do is drive our struggling economy off a cliff.

Since March of 1962, our nation has raised the debt ceiling more than 70 times. Ronald Reagan raised it 17 times. George W. Bush raised it 7 times.

Of course, this is not the first time that a vote on the debt ceiling has been politicized. There have been votes against the debt ceiling to protest wars and other issues. Indeed, even then Senator Obama voted against raising the debt ceiling when Bush was president as a protest against the unfunded Iraq War. But the ultimate passage of the measure has never before been in doubt.

To be clear, by raising the debt ceiling, Congress is simply stating that the United States will meet its obligations. The money has already been authorized by Congress. According to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, failure to raise the debt ceiling will force the U.S. to selectively default on its obligations. And it will mean that U.S. bonds will be downgraded and foreign investors will be hesitant to buy U.S. Treasury Bills (currently the world’s most sound investment).

This could result in a variety of potentially catastrophic events. The dollar could be replaced as the world standard currency. Interest rates on everything from credit cards to home loans could skyrocket. Social Security checks could be delayed or, worse yet, bounce. And world stock markets could crash, driving down the value of our 401ks. Or, to quote former Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers, it would be “Lehman on steroids.”

Yet despite these warnings, some Republicans (especially the Tea Party backed Congressional representatives) still don’t want to raise the ceiling under any circumstances. It would seem that they want to follow the path of their Republican predecessors who refused to vote for TARP (Troubled Asset Relief Program) in 2008 until the markets crashed.

If Republicans refuse to reach a compromise on a plan before Tuesday, August 2, the President has one other potential option: The United States Constitution. Section 4 of the 14th Amendment states, “The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.”

Although Constitutional scholars are divided on the legality of the President invoking this option, it does provide a safety net for our economy. And even conservative Republican Senator Chuck Grassley has said that the 14th Amendment seems to over-ride the notion of a Congressional debt ceiling.

Let’s hope that this step is not necessary. It would almost certainly result in a lengthy court battle and possible impeachment. But, in our opinion, it’s better than the U.S. defaulting on its debts.

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